I feel a bit of a pillock, but I can't for the life of me work out how to pronounce Angua. Thanks all.
I remember that discussion from... somewhere else, and there seem to be varying opinions on it. I've heard it spelled like jarmara would (or at least I think so), on the other side, considering she is a von Überwald, it might be spelled like I would - kind of Germanic.* A matter of opinion, I guess. *Let me try... "Ang-" like an English speaking person would spell the "ung" in "Hungary", and then, with the stretch on the second syllable, "wa" (als English w). (Any idea what I mean?)
I never worry too much about the sounds of Discworld names, just pronounce them however my head feels like doing it the first time I read it, and stick to that mostly. I pronounce all the letters in Angua - like ann goowa, only not so much goo.
[quote:c3b709737a="Maljonic"]I never worry too much about the sounds of Discworld names, just pronounce them however my head feels like doing it the first time I read it, and stick to that mostly. I pronounce all the letters in Angua - like ann goowa, only not so much goo. [/quote:c3b709737a] I pronounce it like that too. Many names I read are best left unsaid, they sound much better inside my head.
[quote:9860fa2a60="jarmara"]ang-(to rhyme with hang)-you-ah is how I've always assumed it.[/quote:9860fa2a60] I believe that Pratchett actually said that is the correct way. However, in my head I always say "Ang-wa" is in "anguish".
[quote:18ac4ce438="Marcia"][quote:18ac4ce438="jarmara"]ang-(to rhyme with hang)-you-ah is how I've always assumed it.[/quote:18ac4ce438] I believe that Pratchett actually said that is the correct way. However, in my head I always say "Ang-wa" is in "anguish".[/quote:18ac4ce438] Yes, he clarified it. I think there's a difference between how u sounds are treated in American and British English. It is ANG-gyoo-ah.
I've imagined a mix of the two above suggestions, first [i:d30b5b4055]ang[/i:d30b5b4055] as in [i:d30b5b4055]hang[/i:d30b5b4055], then [i:d30b5b4055]gua[/i:d30b5b4055] with a hard [i:d30b5b4055]g[/i:d30b5b4055]. So: [aŋ.gua] Edit: Buzzy was quicker'n me. I think we're both imagining roughly the same pronounciation. Edit again: Sloppy capitalization and formatting.
Interesting. I saw the IPA all the time in school from the fourth grade and upwards, mostly in our english books.
The only people I've met who've been familiar with them already have been Scandinavian, Dutch or Japanese. But most people have only seen them in dictionaries.
Hm. We learnt them too, from grade 5; I don't remember each of them by heart, but well enough to find them very helpful. So, if I ask for a pronounciation, throw them at me!
Pft. Your Angua's not the same as my Angua. Obviously. Besides that, after what you have tought us about Gaelic pronounciation (sp?), who knows how you spell it.
[quote:d320e83786="Angua_rox"]I say it Angua. [i:d320e83786]Obviously[/i:d320e83786].[/quote:d320e83786] [quote:d320e83786="Hsing"]Pft. Your Angua's not the same as my Angua. Obviously. Besides that, after what you have tought us about Gaelic pronounciation (sp?), who knows how [i:d320e83786]you [/i:d320e83786]spell it. [/quote:d320e83786] Just to add to the confusion here people, the northeast of england has had many invasions over the centuries, Scots, Norsemen, Danes, Vandals etc. and they have all left their influence on our dialects. I actually pronounce it as Angua.
[quote:e6211100f7="Buzzfloyd"]The only people I've met who've been familiar with them already have been Scandinavian, Dutch or Japanese. But most people have only seen them in dictionaries.[/quote:e6211100f7] I'm familiar because I'm interested in that sort of thing. But it wasn't taught in my school. And I've been assuming that everyone pronounces Angua with a hard "g"(as in grape). I thought it was only the "ua" part that people disagreed about. I would pronounce the "Ang" part like the "ang" in "angle." edit: now that I think of it, my grandmother was from Eastern Europe, closer to the Earth equivalent of Uberwald, and she would have pronounced it closer to "Eng-va".
[quote:4c7eed280b="Marcia"]I would pronounce the "Ang" part like the "ang" in "angle."[/quote:4c7eed280b] Just to play the Devil's Advocaat* here, you could also pronounce the 'ang' with a soft sound as in 'Angela'. English language is a bit of a bugger, even to the English. [i:4c7eed280b]*I know it's Advocate, I was just playing for a cheap laugh![/i:4c7eed280b]
There seem to be a multitude of ways to pronounce Angua! Thank goodness Pterry cleared it up. Marcia, it is indeed a hard g, as I also assumed. It hadn't occured to me to see it as the soft g, or to pronounce the 'ng' without a hard g following.
How do you know that my Angua isn't the same as your Angua? Maybe you say it the right way as well. Gaelic pronounciation makes perfect sense, as does Gaelic spelling. Obviously. Any language that can justify Worstershire sauce as worster sauce, however. .
I'm surprised the English Dictionary still works in this country! I've always pronounced it Wuster as in Wuster-cher (like the singer) sauce. But we are a funny lot in the northeast.
And how are you supposed to pronounce "Colon" in "Sergeant Colon"? Is it Col-on as i have been pronouncing it, or is it supposed to be Coal-on like the bit up your... er, nevermind, i'm sure you all get the idea. Hope this doesn't make me sound too stupid, just always wondered. "He had the look of a man who has screwed in the bolts, applied the lightning, and is now watching his creation as it lurches angrily down to the village"
I have always pronounced it like Coal-on, like the puctuation and the bit up your wassname. I think I remember at least one joke about semi-Colon.
Colon's name is pronounced exactly the same as the word. That's made clear by a couple of different jokes. Also, it would be stupid and unlike Pterry to have a name that looked the same as a word but which was pronounced differently without making a thing out of it - as in Teatime.
This is EXACTLY why it was bugging me! Unfortunately I don't remember the jokes of which you speak. Maybe you could refresh my memory? Good point about Mr. Teh,ah,tim,eh, tho! Okay, when the witches conjure up the demon in "Wyrd sisters", it gives its name as "WxrtHltl-jwlpklz". Am I pronouncing this correctly, or is pronounced with a soft (H)?
The H is silent, as in wardrobe. The jokes are: the one Kat mentioned about 'semi-colon'; Nobby's line about 'sounds like surgery' in NW, when the Watch are chanting, "Colon! Colon! Colon! Out! Out! Out!"
Ha ha, that's funny! Just a shame I'm only up to "The last continent", so I haven't read this joke yet!
Well,this is an interesting thread to me. I've studied languages and speak as a native tongue a language that almost all foreign student of hate after just a few weeks trying to learn it. I also remember TP clarifying the Angua dilemna and it was-ann goowa-pretty sure.However,I agree with not trying to put too much of a stress on how to say the names,go with whatever feels good in your head. But the Überwaldian way of saying things do feel natural to me as an Icelander.I would make a VERY good vampire with my icelandic accent (Oh,and sorry, I know you don't like very long posts )
But....even though it is explained in detail by Mr.Teatime,I could never get the hang of how to prounounce his name I know,I'm thick.
That was not a very long post , Sunna, and I doubt any one here would think otherwise. Feel free to post as long a post as necessary to get your point across. This is a board for people who love writing after all.
Long post aren't a problem Sunna. Long posts without any punctuation or attempts to break up the text tend to make eyes go blurry and crossed, but I don't think that's something you do.:smile: Oh, and welcome to the boards.
Can you read phonetic script? If so, I'll attempt my version of what I think Mr Teatime wants us to say. And, as the others said, that wasn't a long post at all!
No,I can't read it to save my life.We've never been taught it and I have to say,it's a disgrace,I even graduated from languages in college and I still wasn't taught it....But it's a pickle about Mr.T
Well whenever my mate and i talk of discworld (mainly who we would cast in a movie) we always pronounce it Ang-gwa, with a little emphasise on the G and the U kind of spread out
That's something to watch out for. Threads may start on one subject but they do tend to wander weirdly and widely.:smile:
I've always said it with a long "A" so the fist part sounds the the "ang" in "anguish" and then "you-uh" but when I'm being lazy her name tends to become Ang-wa.
