mr_scrub, you can edit your post using the button to the top-right of it if you want to go back and add stuff in. Just leave a note in your post that you've done so.

amelia: yo
i am a yoyo.

Chris: yes

Thanks I'll remember that.

"No, a proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof, and when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." - Actual quote by Jean Chretien, former Canadian Prime Minister.

have you been here?
Heraldry on the Internet, Coats of Arms, Family Crests

Using a bend sinister in - English heraldry at least - to indicate bastardy is a myth. There have been held to be a number of marks meaning different forms of dishonour, but they are generally later inventions. Since arms themselves are a mark of honour, augmenting them with marks of dishonour defeats the object, rather.

You might also be interested in "The Heraldry of the Disc" article I wrote for Discworld Monthly a while back:

Part 1 - Discworld Monthly - Issue 88
Part 2 - Discworld Monthly - Issue 89

The idea that being of illegitimate birth, or being a bastard, was as such dishonoring is relatively modern, though. It wasn't the best position to be in, but more widely accepted than we would guess today, in nobility as well as in common people. (Around here it was fairly common to have children and marry years later, when you had the money to officially hold a household. No big problem.)

The bend sinister -which often wasn't a full bend- was used in Western and Midlle Europe. Bertrand du Guesclin was one yielder of such an arm. Here you can see other examples: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nd%C3%B4me.png
http://von-greifenstein.i-networx.de..._Grund/h27.gif
(Sorry for the links, I have yet to get used to the new forum and all.)
I've seen other example, namely German ones, in book form, but found none of them in the internet. Maybe stories of that practice swept over to England to form a myth. There is such a thing as felt history.

Other than that, I think I shouls check Discworldmonthly more often.

Mr Scrub, did you delete the contents of the post, or was that first sentence the original contents? Because editing is fine, but we do ask people not to delete what they said apart from in very exceptional circumstances. This is due to a community history of troublemakers who would go back and change the record to make themselves look good and other people look bad. (Not saying you're trying to do that, just giving you the reason for the rule.)

Mrs G
The Garner who cares.

Perhaps I misspelt it on purpose, for dramatic effect?

Didn't I tell you to disregard it?
It does sound better tho, and it's not there right now anyway.

No I didn't delete it I just told people to disregard it. I've already learnt that lesson.

OK, thanks for clarifying!

Mrs G
The Garner who cares.