Message Board Upgrade

Discussion in 'BOARDANIA' started by Maljonic, Feb 26, 2007.

  1. The Jackal Guest

    Don't know if anyone else has had this problem, but I've not been able to log in in 3 days.

    Had to re-register today as The Jackal (old log in name was TheJackal). Is there some way this problem can be fixed so that it remembers I have been registered as TheJackal for ages & my password works?
  2. Buzzfloyd Spelling Bee

    Jackal, can you describe exactly what happens when you try to log in under your old username (everything you click on etc)?
  3. chrisjordan New Member

    Well, to clear this up: seeing as I was the first to use the word brat (and not Doors) I'll just say that the word as I meant it had nothing to do with dishonesty. No implication like that had even occurred to me. I meant pretty much the definition Doors gave. And yes, I don't know Andalusian. As I said, this is just how it came across to me, both in her initial comments and her response.

    Coppe, I'm sure she wasn't the only one being blunt. But it wasn't the fact that she was being blunt that I had a problem with.

    Hope this clarifies.
  4. The Jackal Guest

    I go to the Home page. I go to the login section, put in my password & username. Then it says "Incorrect username or password. Please try again". Same thing happens every time for 3 days!
  5. Maljonic Administrator

    I think that might be sort of my (or Firefox's) fault. Your username might have been changed when I was adding your stories onto the site because of Firefox's annoying habbit of filling form boxes in with information that isn't meant to be there sometimes.

    Can you try it again now to see if it works, then come back and tell me if it doesn't - then I'll try something else.

    edit: just confirmed your username was changed by accident. I changed it back now if you want to try it.
  6. OmKranti Yogi Wench

    I go away for a bit and when I get back we have a shiny new board. I should go away more often.

    Look how shiny it is! Thanks Mal. You must have a lot of patience.
  7. Maljonic Administrator

    Thanks OM, and everyone else that's supported me in this week of change. :)
  8. TheJackal Member

    Hey, it's working now. Thanks Mal
  9. Maljonic Administrator

    Great, you were renamed "Terry Pratchett Unseen Message Board" by accident.

    I'll get rid of the other you. :)
  10. Ba Lord of the Pies

    But he can be called TPUMB, or "Tuppy-Umb," for short.
  11. Buzzfloyd Spelling Bee

    Tuppy-Umb... LOL!

    Mal, several people seem to have run afoul of the minimum character limit. (Or is it a minimum word limit?) Do you think we should consider reducing it so people can post to say 'No.' or 'Hi.' or 'Heh.'?
  12. Roman_K New Member

    *observes new boards*

    I like this. ;)
  13. Cynical_Youth New Member

    Not sure if I should rake this up again, but it deserves mentioning.

    What mostly bothered Adele is that she felt her opinion was dismissed and her tone discussed instead.
  14. Maljonic Administrator

    I discussed her opinion, never mentioned her tone at all.
  15. Orrdos God

    What, she missed Mal's post right after it?

    The man who the points were addressed to took note and explained his reasoning.

    Her opinion was discussed first, and her tone second. But, look, it's reasonably straight forward. She was rude, and unless you're Simon Cowell, you can't just get away with that. Whether it was intentionally rude or not, it doesn't matter. The point is, she WAS.

    She was called to task on it, and instead of doing the adult thing and acknowledging it and, heaven forbid, APOLOGISING for it, she decided to just sulk off into the great unknown.

    Actions and words have consequences, and if the negative responses are something she can't deal with, she should pick her words a lot more carefully in future, rather than a scattergun approach under the rude persons shield of "bluntness"
  16. Cynical_Youth New Member

    It didn't refer to you. I'm sorry you got caught up in this, Mal.

    Tone was the only thing discussed by a number of people. She doesn't like the atmosphere that creates. She feels like she has to adapt the way she expresses her opinion continuously. It's not anything against individual people.
    She feels like she has to compromise herself to post here.
  17. Maljonic Administrator

    Okay. Anyway I think it's going to start sounding silly if you keep telling us what someone else is thinking and saying when they say they don't want to speak to us anymore.
  18. Marcia Executive Onion

    In comparison, I'd like to point to the behaviour of Jackal, who actually had a problem (not being able to log in for 3 days, as opposed to not being pleased with the board's appearance) and was nice about the whole thing and even thanked Mal for fixing it.
  19. Cynical_Youth New Member

    I know she's not reading this and that she's not going to, but I don't want to leave her side unsaid.

    I suppose for myself, I can't leave the hostility out there towards her unanswered.

    I'm sorry.

    I don't know how to handle this either.
  20. Rincewind Number One Doorman

    I don't think it's a compromise to express yourself in a manner that isn't activity rude. I think it's telling that you haven't addressed that point in your defence.

    No-one is saying had to like the new board but she could have at least awkowledged the hard work that Mal has put into this place. Weather, it was an intention or not to come across that ungratefull is besides the point. Once it was pointed out she should of amended her statement accordling.

    I think you are defending her just becuase she is someone close to you rather than becuase you believe her actions are wholly justifible. If this is the case then any disscussion is redundant becuase of the emotional bais involved.
  21. Cynical_Youth New Member

    If you don't experience that as being actively rude, then after a while it begins to feel like denying yourself.

    She did not deny that anywhere and I can see how she could have felt forced into pointing that out.

    That is easy to say. To be honest, I don't agree with anyone here. I understand her and I understand the responses. Most of what was posted should probably not have been posted, but I don't hold anything against anyone.
  22. chrisjordan New Member

    I can understand that she finds it difficult not to say anything that might tread on somebody or other's toes, but I would have thought it was obvious that if you frame something in an ungrateful way after someone's put in a lot of hard work, it's not going to go down well. And on the basis of that post alone, not knowing Andalusian personally, I don't see how after reading it, it could be seen as not sounding ungrateful.

    Obviously in a community people should be allowed to be themselves to some extent, and from what you're saying it seems that Andalusian doesn't feel that's possible here, but there's only so far this can go. In any community, any society, you have to compromise somewhat. To continue with the treading-on-toes analogy, if somebody is allowed to do and act as they please without consideration for others, then they are going to end up treading on people's toes, which causes problems because then those people won't be able to do and act how they please, etc, etc, and things just go horribly wrong because everybody's in pain and on the floor.

    It's the consideration for others that I think is important here, in any society. That's not to say that you have to agree with what everybody else says or that you can't speak out. But an awareness of other people is necessary, at least. Otherwise you may as well run away from humanity and hide yourself in a cave somewhere, so then you don't have to worry about compromising yourself.

    Coppe, I understand that you're in a difficult position here, but what exactly are you expecting from us?

    She gave an opinion in a tone that ruffled some feathers. The opinion was of something Mal did, and Mal responded, so it was not, as you said before, dismissed. Then some people decided to take issue with the tone alone, and I think that's perfectly fair because she did sound ungrateful and some of us had a problem with that.

    Then she responded with something that amounted to, 'Ah well, I don't care anyway. Goodbye.' That's dismissive. And damn well verging on hostile. And of course that's going to spark a reaction. I don't want to blow this up more than it already has been, but I seriously object to accusations of hostility on our part. Why shouldn't we be dismissive of her or annoyed if she's going to act like that towards us? There's no reason for us to be amicable if she's going to be like that.

    I feel the same way here as I did when you accused some of hostility after that incident in the music thread a while back, when (I think unreasonably) Andalusian criticised Ella for being defensive over that Muse track and she decided she didn't want to post here anymore because of the reaction to that. There might have been some unnecessary hostility, but there was some on both sides, which is something you didn't seem to acknowledge. In both that case and the one in this thread, it strikes me as a one-sided criticism.

    Coppe, I'm sorry you find yourself in this position, but like you I couldn't just leave that unanswered.
  23. Rincewind Number One Doorman

    While I can't speak for every case, but I find it hard to understand how she couldn't see that she was beening rude. I don't even think that this was an occasion there we can say it's a difference opinion on what quatifies rudeness. I hate to take a hard stance but she was being rude. Fact. The only thing that is open to debate is the degree of rudeness involved. At best she was grossly inconsiderate and ungratefull.

    A lack of denial about being in the wrong does in no equate to admitting you where in the wrong and taking responsibility for it.
  24. Cynical_Youth New Member

    I'll address the rest later, but I wanted to point this out.
    'Hostility' was the wrong word there. I did not mean for that to sound like an accusation. It was just a general phrase meant to cover the opinions some have of her actions.
  25. chrisjordan New Member

    Ah, right. It seems like this is more problems with the connotations of words being used then, because 'hostility' to me implies an excess (which I personally would refute). It did sound like an accusation in both cases, but if you only meant it in the general sense of negative reactions, then I don't have an issue with it.
  26. Marcia Executive Onion

    Even if she didn't mean to be rude, once it was pointed out to her that she was being ungrateful, she should have apologised.

    Does anyone else see the irony involved in the idea that when Andalusian criticises the upgraded message board she is being "blunt", but when someone else criticises Andalusian's tone, they are being "hostile" enough to make her leave the board.

    Coppe, I agree that you have been put in a difficult position. I'm sorry about that.
  27. KaptenKaries New Member

    Oooh new icons, lovely!

    (and, also, first!) ;-)
  28. Katcal I Aten't French !

    Dammit :D
  29. Pepster New Member

    Good work Mal.
  30. Cynical_Youth New Member

    Right, I suppose this is what happens when you try to speak for someone.

    I've made a mess of things. I've been trying to pick up the pieces and I've misinterpreted Adele completely.

    I apologise to everyone here. I've misrepresented her, and lost myself a couple of times in the emotional confusion.

    I thought she was bothered by the fact that she was attacked over her tone, but she meant the way in which she was attacked.

    I'll quote her:
    "I don't care that I got criticised. I can handle that, but I can't handle personal attacks, and never, not ever, have Doors or Ella said anything to me that was not a personal attack.
    I don't want to be part of a community that allows that to happen and is continuing to allow that to happen.

    I accept that what I said was overly critical and not constructive. If the response had limited itself to pointing that out, I would have happily apologised and explained that I had an absolutely awful day."
  31. Cynical_Youth New Member

    She left because she didn't want to deal with their responses any more.
  32. Maljonic Administrator

    Anyway... I've been struggling with the forum login integration with the main site all week and it's finally working how it should, thanks to a different bit of software that I actually bought on Saturday (only £10) but didn't arrive until today.

    You can now login on the front page or from the forums and be logged into both either way. Before I was having to remove the forum login (and registration) to get it anywhere near working right with the last bit of software.

    There is also an infinitely better latest posts module on the main site, if you click the date it takes you to the latest post.
  33. Tephlon Active Member

    We seem to have a higher rate of Spam lately (as in 3 spam posts in the last 4 days.)

    I know this might have to do with the fact that Mal is still putting everything together, but I'll repeat my suggestion of some sort of Captcha (vBulletin calls it "Image Verification") or other "distinguish human from 'bot"-technology anyway.

    There are several ways, including some fields that are clearly labeled "Do not enter anything in this field or you won't be signed up" or (And I liked this one) a checkbox that says: "If you are not a bot please do not check this checkbox."

    Captcha's can be rather annoying (I know readability can be an issue) but
    we could limit them to the sign up process only.
    There are some message boards that either do not allow you to post right away or have you use captcha's for the first (or first five) posts.

    Research on the vBulletin boards came up with these two: NoSpam! Question and Enhanced Image Verification ( -> here's an example of Enhanced Image Verification. Very elegant solution)

  34. KaptenKaries New Member

    With a checkbox like that I would never had succeeded in signing up. Double negations make my brain melt. :confused:
  35. Maljonic Administrator

    The problems, that are now fixed, that I mentioned in my last post included not using the vBulletin registration with captcha.

    All registrations now go through the vBulletin registration system with a captcha, or image verification.
  36. Tephlon Active Member

    True, there are some issues with non native english speakers with that one...

    I liked the Enhanced Image Verification better anyway.
    The NoSpam! Question does allow you to put in your own questions, so they could easily be Discworld related. Unfortunately that one is also harder for non-native english speakers or dyslexics.

    (Oh great, I'm undermining my own points now... )
  37. Tephlon Active Member

    Oops, I hadn't seen that Mal. Sorry.

    Edit: Also because I took about 45 minutes to write that post and there was a lot of cross posting.. .-)
  38. KaptenKaries New Member

    I'm sure you don't mean that it's my english comprehension that's not sufficient.
  39. KaptenKaries New Member

    On the subject of criticism, constructive and otherwise. A while ago, Kat, me and Pixel expressed our wish for icons to be easier to distinguish from eachother.

    I felt that our suggestions was responded to with a bit hard tone. I made a long explanatory post where I tried to further make myself clear on what I meant. I apologized for being unclear and having caused anger amongst those who misunderstood me.

    I never did see anyone responding to what I had written. No "apology accepted". No "sorry for being a bit hard on you". Not even a "go screw yourself, you bloody peacemonger".

    I was sad when I saw the first replies to what I attempted to be a way to help Mal. I was even sadder when I realised that my attempt at making myself clear went completely unnoticed, or worse, was ignored.

    I am getting deja vu now. I'm not angry with anyone now and I wasn't back then either. But I think everyone can improve on their diplomacy skills.

    I try to remember not to post while angry or emotionally upset, and that trick works for me most of the time. I've also learnt that I don't have to win every fight. Folding down is an option. Knowing when to choose defeat is a key for my social interaction. I also think that being able to forgive wrongdoings is important.
  40. Cynical_Youth New Member

    Thank you for that post, KK. I feel quite lost at the moment and your post really grounded things.

    I think that was definitely at play here.

    Andalusian feels like she's been criticised heavily a couple of times (to the point where she feels persecuted) mostly because it is the only response she gets from some. She can handle criticism, but if it's relentless then it only really comes across as blatant dislike.

    Note: she does honestly feel that way. We've talked it through thoroughly and I now know what I'm talking about...

    I completely misinterpreted her. I'm afraid I really complicated things trying to clarify her position.

    We both just want the whole argument to be over.

    Added: Decided there was no point beating about the bush, really:

    Doors, Ella & CJ: We both know that you don't like Adele (and probably me not that much either). That's fine and you don't need to. If the way you do communicate with her, however, is to criticise her en masse, the community begins to feel very hostile.

    It's now at a point where I know she's not coming back. She doesn't want to lose the friendships she's made here, but she doesn't want to get that hurt again.

    I don't expect you to think her response is justified, but I hope you can recognise how you may have created the circumstances for it.

    Maybe this could be a start for some sort of healthier dialogue.
  41. chrisjordan New Member

    I don't like the way Andalusian has spoken to people, but I don't know her well enough to like her or dislike her either way. As for yourself, I've never had a problem with you. I still don't. I may not agree with everything you say, but you seem pretty levelheaded to me. Please don't assume I don't like you because of our disagreements here.

    But if someone posts something I feel the need to object to, I'll object. Every one of my posts in this thread, bar the first one, has been a response to a post of your own. It's not like the three of us have met up to synchronise our watches and then bombard the thread, and in fact Ella has only posted once, so if you're going to level that criticism at Doors and I, at least leave her out of it.

    If more than one person shares the same opinion, that doesn't mean we're ganging up on anybody by posting. The three of us are good friends, so I see how it could seem like that, but in the end the reason we're good friends in the first place is because we're likeminded people, so there are going to be times when we all feel the same way.

    And once again, I'd like to point out that hostility came from both sides.

    It's perfectly understandable if Andalusian doesn't want to stick around now. Just by the sheer amount this has been discussed, it has all been blown way out of proportion. But when you've posted with your point of view (or your interpretation of Andalusian's), I've felt the need respond, so I have done. I've only ever posted what I feel needed to be said. If I've merely repeated the same thing somebody else has already given, or if I've come across as overly hostile, I apologise. The event that sparked all this really isn't worth the bitter feelings now, and I think people on both sides of the argument have overreacted.
  42. Cynical_Youth New Member

    Fair enough, I don't have a problem with you either. It just seemed like a way to clear the air.

    I certainly don't want to imply that you were ganging up on her, just that it is experienced that way. I think the 'timing of the watches' image illustrates aptly how ridiculous that would be.

    It's important to realise, however, that for someone who doesn't know that many people on the boards well (and that was certainly true the first time this arose), being in a conflict with a couple of established board members can feel very isolating.

    You have a right to respond, but you also have a responsibility for what image you present to someone. You can choose to only respond to someone's negative posts, but there's still a choice there. You still choose to be critical.

    I don't mean to say that you need to go around replying to someone's posts to be able to criticise them. I mean that if you choose not to socialise with someone, then do so. Don't just jump on the negative side. It then does not affect you.

    When you criticise someone, you're tacitly assuming that you have an interest in changing their behaviour. In order to justify that assumption, their actions have to affect you.

    I'd compare it to going to another community and criticising someone there. Your criticism may be valid, but it's still uncalled for. Within a community, in the groups of a community, I think that can work the same way.

    Btw, I didn't mean to lump Doors, Ella and you together. It just seemed strange to indicate who I was addressing in graduations. These are broadly the parties involved, but it's not a line in the sand along which we have to line up and pelt each other with stones (or poo, if preferred).
  43. KaptenKaries New Member

    This describes pretty well the feelings and thoughts I had of the post I mentioned earlier.
  44. Orrdos God

    Oh, for gods sake.

    I honestly don't dislike andalusian. based on the evidence I've got from this thread, I can't say I'm a huge fan either, but I certainly have no great dislike of her either.

    She only ever gets grief from me and ella?

    Fuck off. That's all I can really say to that.

    You know, I went back and read that music thread again, to see if we really did descend on her pack style.

    And shockingly, no. No we did not.

    Infact, she once again threw a tantrum. Spit out the dummy because she didn't like what someone said. No one made a personal comment about her at all, we had a disagreement on a song. A difference of OPINION.

    I noted a severe lack of "andalusian! you've a fucking moron for thinking that!" posts.

    I note a lack of "hey, adele, you smell of manure for not liking supermassive blackhole!" posts.

    What I did see was opinions. For gods sake, if she cant differentiate between an opinion on a song and a personal attack, she's going to have problems.

    For the record, here's the music thread, where I made that first scathing attack on her, then ella, Cj and ben continued to rip into her.

    Draw your own conclusions.

    I should also note, that I swallowed back my own feelings on her horrendous overeaction to make a post to try and stop her leaving, on request of coppe.

    Coppe, I do appreciate you're not in a great position. I also don't dislike you. Infact, quite the opposite.

    I am slightly agog that andalusian thinks me and ella only ever attack her. I'm used to that sort of accusation, but ella?

    Well, I've done my best to explain why I think andalusian was out of order on this thread, in the music thread and why I think she's just plain wrong in thinking me and ella have some sort of vendetta against her.

    Oh well.
  45. Orrdos God

    KK, I had a look at that thread you linked to. To be honest, I was a bit peeved at the time of writing it, and I stand by the comment about the huge arrows being a giveaway. I did try and lighten the tone a bit with the dog vision man comment, which made at least one person laugh.

    However, I can see how it could be a bit harsh, so i will offer my apologies for that
  46. chrisjordan New Member

    For the record, at the time of that incident in the music thread, whatever differences we had, I considered Andalusian an established board member. I know this doesn't change how she felt, but there you go anyway.

    As I'd never consciously ignored Andalusian's posts before these conflicts happened, it never occurred to me that I would only appear to be making something out of posts I had a problem with. That's my fault, I know, but I do read a lot of stuff that I might agree with or enjoy without feeling I have anything to say.

    It might be, and probably is, that Andalusian and I have never really connected just because we're different people and therefore haven't ever found much to talk about. But, again for the record, the fact that I did consider her an established member does show, I think, that whatever differences in personality we may have, I've never been trying to reject her or push her out. I'll admit I was dismissive of her in my initial post in this thread, but that was because I felt she'd been overly dismissive of the objections raised, even if she did have a problem with them.

    Again I'll say that every post I made was one I felt was necessary, not merely valid (whether it was initially voicing how Andalusian's posts had bothered me, or later giving reasons for or defending why I thought it was necessary to post what I did). Of course, whether they were actually valid or necessary is something people may disagree with. This is just what I felt.

    I can't really speak for the other two, but I don't feel it was their intention to alienate Andalusian either, and I also don't think it's fair to say that criticising her is all they've ever done (although I understand it might feel that way to Andalusian). As far as this incident and the one in the music thread go, I think they were, like me, just objecting to something they had a problem with, and as people have reacted in certain ways, it has escalated. I would not say that they were personal attacks. No poo was flung with personal intent.
  47. Cynical_Youth New Member

    Before I go into any sort of detail, I would just like to stress that I do not intend to say that anyone has a vendetta against anyone. I'm not talking about intent here.

    I'm talking about the way things come across.
  48. KaptenKaries New Member

    Thanks Doors. :) I'm glad I got an answer.
  49. chrisjordan New Member

    I know. I've already acknowledged in my post the fact that things can come across in certain ways, and I understand that, but I think intent is still relevant. It can't all be judged on the perception of one party.

    Edit to add: I'm not saying this is what you're claiming, but I am just trying to keep it focused on the full picture.
  50. Orrdos God

    Ok, bottom line.

    Vendettas aside, I don't think holding my tongue when someone is being a bit of an arsehole to a friend of mine is a winning plan.

    I don't think that amounts to a constant barrage of abuse. Most people, being aware that they were a bit of a twat, would apologise for offence caused.

    They would not go off in a huff, and leave their boyfriend to clean up after them. They would not blame other people for their failure to offer that apology. They would not try and make out that it's just some people attacking them, when it's blatantly not the case.
  51. Cynical_Youth New Member

    That is the way you come across. It's not just Adele either, I honestly thought you disliked her. I'm not out to exaggerate it into a vendetta and make any assumptions about your intention, but there is a definite impression of a dislike beyond the indifferent.

    Can we refrain from using expletives? They don't help.

    Honestly, Doors, I disagree. I don't think she threw a tantrum. There is a defeated, despairing post in there, yes.

    She posted an opinion. The first response was "Incorrect!" and her opinion proceeded to be dissected by a number of people.

    I don't think there was any intention of picking on her, but it's important to understand the impression it created.

    I saw how hurt she was by the whole thing.

    This is not about 'ripping' into someone or about blatant personal attacks. We're all mature people here. I do not think that any of you had any intent to hurt Adele. You did, though. That may have been a normal discussion to you, but it wasn't to her.

    Thank you, I appreciate that.

    Again, there is a difference between creating the impression and having the intent.

    I recognise that I needn't have addressed Ella. I don't mean to draw her in.
  52. Cynical_Youth New Member

    I do. Refer to my argument about assumptions of interest. You're essentially coming out of the woodwork to criticise someone. You have a right to, but the impression it creates is not warranted.

    I would appreciate it we could keep comments like this to a minimum.

    She did not leave me to do anything. I chose to do this. We've talked about it. It's our business.

    It's not about the apology at all. She has no problems apologising. We both regret Mal got dragged into this.
  53. Cynical_Youth New Member

    She seemed like an established board member for being around for a long time, but at the time, there were few people she really knew here.
  54. Orrdos God

    In terms of "incorrect", I think the tone was picked up on wrong.

    "Incorrect, Marge, 2 perfectly good jackets!" was more the tone i wanted there.

    So yeah. That post I made was not without its humour. I'm prepared to chalk that one down to a misunderstanding on her part though.

    However, it's a music thread. It's full of opinions. If you're not prepared to have your opinions "dissected", then you vocalise them.

    Look at Kenny. He's always banging on about Robbie Williams being a god. We're always taking the piss out of him for it. Does he get all upset?

    To be frank, if some people disagreeing with her over one song upsets her that much, I'd be concerned about her if something important came up.

    Apologies on the swearing. I was that thrown by the idea that I do nothing but attack her that I could only think to respond with an emphatic phrase.
  55. Cynical_Youth New Member

    No, because you know each other. If three people you don't really talk to pop up to criticise your opinion, in a way that is not clearly humorous (although certainly in the first post that relies on a misunderstanding), the impression is different. (Again, assumptions of interest.)

    And it was the impression created.

    Ow... again, is this necessary?
  56. Rincewind Number One Doorman

    People didn't say that her opinion was 'incorrect.' Just the impolite way she expressed her opinion. Which showed an massively inconsiderate attitude towards someone we should all be extremely gratefull towards.

    If she said "Thanks for all your hard work Mal. But I prefered x,y,z, is there a way it could be changed without causing to much hassle" No one would of said a thing.

    People wheren't attacking her personally. A number of people, just as grace expressed there disappointment towards her attitude, not just people that Adele (sp) has problems with.
  57. chrisjordan New Member

    I fully agree that the way the message comes across is something that needs to be considered, and I'll definitely be considering it more when posting here in the future.

    However, about impression and perception: I feel too much emphasis is being placed on impression here rather than perception. I don't think we can rule out the possibility that Andalusian's perception might have been an overreaction or exaggeration. Those posting messages do have to take responsibility, but while it's easy to see how Andalusian might have felt the way she did given your reasoning, that doesn't mean that the recipient is free of fault in the way they interpret it or react to it. There's only so much accountability that can fall on the shoulders of the one who made the post here.
  58. Cynical_Youth New Member

    Rinso, that referred to the music thread.

    CJ, I definitely agree that perception should not be overlooked. I hope that in stressing impression, it does not seem as if I'm attempting to assign blame. I'm just trying to bring clarification here.
  59. Orrdos God

    I don't doubt for a second that you're defending her off her own volition. However, she should have been aware that by flouncing off, it'd leave you a bit in the firing line, and that you'd feel compelled to speak up.

    I do have to say though, the woodwork?


    I've been here for more years that I can remember, I've known Mal for all those years and I moderate the thing.

    It's not like I never post except to leap out and strike down the rude people of the world. I also post about my comic.

    And yes, it is an issue about apologising. Regardless of how she feels about what I and others said, she is aware she hurt Mal.

    Yet, instead of saying this before going off, she blames us for stopping her, somehow.

    I don't recall hacking off her fingers, so I'm sure she could have said it on her way out.

    Also, rinso: The "incorrect!" post was in the music thread, not this one :)
  60. chrisjordan New Member

    OK. Thanks for that.

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