*nod* exactly. We've discussed a no tollerance policy to trolling enough. this is DIFFERENT.


I'd like to reiterate:

since it seems we're going to institute this as a rule, how serrious do we want it to be?

I'd say that it shouldn't warrant more than a polite reminder that we have left the old site, and so long as the poster involved does not continue to post there, there is not a problem.

[quote:2f10714d8a="Maljonic"]Perhaps, but I wish we could ease up on talk of banning for the time being - [b:2f10714d8a]this thread isn't about banning people[/b:2f10714d8a] (my bold - Pixel), or even about trolling really. Just on whether or not we mind if our friends go back and post on the old boards that we left, and how we should react to it if they do.[/quote:2f10714d8a]
Sorry to keep disagreeing with you, Mal, but it [i:2f10714d8a]is[/i:2f10714d8a] about banning people - the poll question, which has 80% positive support so far (including my vote), is that we "require" people not to post on the HC site - this therefore means that we need a sanction against those who continue to either tease the animals so that they are not content with taking over the HC site but are goaded into finding ways of wrecking us here as well despite a functioning administrator - and there are ways - and those who actually want to be friends with people who see invading a functioning site that is managing to work despite spam (and how did all those spammers get our address? The HC board was getting more spam than my normal email, and that runs on about 15 to 20 spam to 1 to real) as a reasonable activity - the sanction that we have is to ban them - we do not need these people!

[quote:51b2bcd094="Garner"]*nod* exactly. We've discussed a no tollerance policy to trolling enough. this is DIFFERENT.


I'd like to reiterate:

since it seems we're going to institute this as a rule, how serrious do we want it to be?

I'd say that it shouldn't warrant more than a polite reminder that we have left the old site, and so long as the poster involved does not continue to post there, there is not a problem.[/quote:51b2bcd094]I agree, I don't think anyone would carry on posting in both places, unless they were trying to annoy us on purpose, after we asked them not to. They'd either agree and carry on posting here, or go off in a sulk and not post here any more.

If they carry on posting on both then they are moving into a different realm, the realm of Pixel, and beyond the scope of what this thread is about.

Heh.. "the realm of Pixel"

("And as a punishment, you shall be thrown into that place where Pixel reigns supreme, and he will deal with you as he sees fit... BEWARE!")

What a frightening thought!

Pixel, I see your point about 'requirement', but I disagree with you. Requiring someone to do something does not say what the result will be if they do not.

I agree that it would be worth simply giving a poloite reminder or request at first. It only becomes serious if their response is along the lines of 'fuck you' (whether that be in words or actions - because flagrantly going against what you were asked not to do is a silent way of saying of 'fuck you').

I've voted as the majority did. It's been said, but as this is probably one of the cases where everyone should give their reasons for voting the way they did, I'll state why: The old Board as it is now is not just "any board" - of course we should be allowed to post on any board and talk to any person we want to, generally.
But that was, until recently, "our house", and we've been mobbed out of it by the majority of those residing there now. (Not half as "many" as it seems, I suspect. Noticed how everything's dead once Regicide has no time to post?)
If anyone keeps still going there, paying a visit and bringing cookies along as if nothing relevant had changed, he pays those respects to those who drove us away. How that couldn't be expected to seem strange to us, I don't know, even though in Chris' case, I don't think there were any malevolent thoughts behind the posting.

We should boycott them right now. We could still bring up the discussion again in the far future, should a few people have established a new community there. In the past, lots of things have been rediscussed and changed when the situation required it. Right now, there are only the sad remnants of past days and a few wannabes who didn't notice the curtains have dropped.

As for the consequences, I'm not sure. I suppose there's no sense in declaring it an offense to this community and tying no consequences to it. But I'm, right now, tending to adressing each case, and see how the person reacts to it and explains their reasons. For example, I_Have_Come's way of posting there and the way Chrispenycate and the Jackal did quite differ, and I'd like to see them treated differently.

Curiously enough, as this thread's gained momentum, the old boards are showing signs of new life. If not for the fact that they all sound like Juggicide having a schitzophrenic conversation with himself, I'd say they're on the road to developing a new culture.

This thread may rapidly become moot.

Moot in what way?

And allow me to be wary of the new culture at the old board. The trolls have kept a close eye on this board. How can we be sure they didn't put some bogus accounts and/or some friends as a decoy? We are talking about people who spent four hours every day bumping old threads and called Tempus a hero while at the same time burying the thread about his dissapearance.

we're talking about people who, no matter how vile they are, are a minority.

ASSUMING that juggicide is not responsibile for msot of the other people posting there right now, there's at least one or two newbies who seem to be settling in there. that's the start of a road that leads to a new culture.

now, the point of not posting on the old boards because it's nothing but trolls and spammers is going to be moot if they do genuinely have a new community grow up...

unless of course that new community still centers around the trolls, or adopts their views.

[quote:4ce570b1b3="Buzzfloyd"].........Pixel, I see your point about 'requirement', but I disagree with you. Requiring someone to do something does not say what the result will be if they do not.............[/quote:4ce570b1b3]

OK, this is a fair point which was bothering me anyway - although I am personally in favour of the ban option because of the risk that if we appear not to have totally moved but still go back and continue arguments on the HC board, that the trolls will decide to try to chase us away from here as well - I know we have sanctions that can be applied, but given that many internet providers assign addresses on a changing random basis, so that a simple ban on certain IPs will not be effective, and given that Juggicide and Applestrudel seem, judging by posting times, to be two different people that has Mal outnumbered two-to-one already (let alone any other suckers they can get to help) and they seem to have far too much time on their hands - can we expect Mal to spend all his time fending off all these potential attacks?

Actually, that sentence rather strayed off the point, but at this time of night I don't fancy trying to rework it - the point I want to make is that people from this community posting on the HC board are risking [i:4ce570b1b3]all[/i:4ce570b1b3] of us having to move again if we don't stick with our original plan (as I understood it) - "OK, we'll go where we can do our thing and let you stay and do your thing"

You can call me paranoid if you like (the queue forms over there) but I seriously believe that we need solidarity here.

Oh, and the original point - what bothered me was that no sanction had been specified against posting on HC, so demanding immediate bans struck me as a bit unfair, even though it was the punishment I favour.

I haven't voted yet, and frankly, I am too confused to vote yet.

I don't visit the old boards, though I realize some still do. And I am completely in favour of not posting there. But to make it a rule? Should we give ultimatums like don't talk with him, else we won't talk with you? It sounds a little school-boyish to me! Besides, who is going to keep going back to the old board to check who is posting and who isn't? That certainly doesn't sound like ignoring the old board to me!

So, to repeat, I haven't voted yet. I realize most people here have voted yes, but I am sitting on the fence here and reading the thread in its entirety hasn't helped much yet.

Well, we have got a little confused in our discussion as to whether we are talking about reading the old board or posting on it. The vote here is about whether or not we should [i:82d50a792b]post[/i:82d50a792b] over there.

Personally, I don't wish to read the old board either, but I don't think much harm can come from others looking at it. The only problem is when people feel compelled to make commentary on what's happening over there. We need to stop that in order to stop them.

I agree with Pixel's point about solidarity. Ultimately, anyone is free to do what they like; but society is when people do things for the good of a group in order that they might benefit from being part of that group. That's what you're being asked to do here.

That'a a good point, I think. Also, I could imagine posters posting here [i:95fb28422d]and [/i:95fb28422d]there being dragged into a kind of ping pong, as it happens when you're part of two circles who ultimately loathe each other. It's an unhealthy tie to the old board. Noone can be forbidden to do and say what he or she wants, but medium term, it would be better for this community if we could agree on not trying to belong to both boards right now.
Seeing the trolls who drove us away are still the leading figures in the ongoing conversations -or maybe the only partakers- I can't really see how it should be possible to fit in both circles.

I would advise against posting on the old boards, but I would not tell someone not to. They are free to make there own problems.

That said, I do not intend to ever post there again or post here about there in any meanful fashion outside of temple threads that address the old boards.

I'd be happy if this discussion in this thread was to be as far as it goes, that we don't make it a rule as such but agree not to post on there, which we pretty much have. I don't think there's any point in making it any more than a polite agreement amongst the old board members, we can use this thread to point to in the future to show our discussion for anyone who is confused about it.

I think making a rule over it will be counter productive, seeing as it will only apply to old members and not the new ones who've never posted on either board, we'll have two sets of rules that can only cause confusion and division.

I think it's better that we just forget about the old place for now, I don't think any of the old members are going to start posting on there after we've written all this in here, unless they don't want to be here anymore or they've had a lobotomy or something.