[quote:e0755ca6f5="Rincewind"]There is no problem with posting on 'another' board. But the board in question is one populated by people who spent several hours every day trying to piss us off. So much so that we had to leave the board. I group of people who are both watching this board and have said that they have accounts here. It's clear that these people *don't* like us, so the only reason they would start to post here would be to, at some time, anoy us.

We want them to get on with having there own board, so we can get on with ours. We want them to leave us alone, you've seen the problems Juggy can cuase if he wants (though we can deal with them now, i'd rather we didn';t have too) we want them to forget about us. Too do that we have to stop posting there at least for now.

I have to ask why does anyone want to post on that speific board- the only people there are the people that *drove* us off it? Why would you want to interact with them.

Posting on *other* boards is fine, but that is a board filled with people who hate us. Why hang around with them?[/quote:e0755ca6f5]

I couldn't have said it better myself Rinso.
A yes vote for me, and all or nothing was my philosophy upon moving here too.

I voted yes. But I think we should revisit this in a few months or so. It's possible that the HC board will eventually be repopulated by normal people who are interested in Terry Pratchett. It is easily found via Google, it is the publisher's official site. If there comes a time when the HC board isn't troll-dominated, but is just a normal message board, then there's no reason why people shouldn't be able to post here and there.

mm. such a day may never come, of course.

I voted no because I would never tell anyone not to talk to anyone else no matter how much I disliked that person. I think I know when and if I want to talk to someone and I don't give anyone else the right to dictate to me where I do so.

I have refrained from posting on the old boards because most of the trolls there are too boring to talk to, or too something. If this changes I want to be free to post there and I don't feel I should have to ask anyone's permission to do so.

This rule strikes me as being just a little too clique-y, it has a defensiveness that I don't think is necessary, and I do think is rash and disrespectful. They do watch us and they do glory in seeing this sort of thing, it feeds their sense of self righteousness. I strongly suggest everyone re-think why you would want to dignify this bunch of poseurs by implying they have any kind of power over us at all.

edit: typo

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Ditto Garner.

I disagree with what you've said TamyraMcG. Now I don't want anyone to think I'm argueing with people to make them change there mind. I'm not. And i do apprecticate thoses who said no explaining why but I *do* disagree and want to explain my point of view.


[quote:2f7ea5305a="TamyraMcG"]I voted no because I would never tell anyone not to talk to anyone else no matter how much I disliked that person. I think I know when and if I want to talk to someone and I don't give anyone else the right to dictate to me where I do so.[/quote:2f7ea5305a]


I don't think this is a case of 'telling' or 'dictating' anyone. It's ASKING people to agree too a common rule which the mayourity of people think is for the best for the community. Also it isn't a case for people we 'dislike' it's a case of people that spent 4 hours *everyday* anoying us. Trying to *DESTROY* us.

Bad anology time. Say at your work you had someone who came and *screamed* right in your face for hours everyday so you couldn't speak. After months of this you and your co-workers go to a secret floor where you can work in peace, do you think it would be fair to agree 'lets not tell them/encourage them come go this new floor'.




[quote:2f7ea5305a]I have refrained from posting on the old boards because most of the trolls there are too boring to talk to, or too something. If this changes I want to be free to post there and I don't feel I should have to ask anyone's permission to do so.[/quote:2f7ea5305a]

All we're aggreeing to here is refraining from posting on the board while it's a community consisting of people who spend hours every day pissing us off.

Blah... I have to go now, more on this next week.

I guess it's the anarchist in me that objects to this community decision you have proposed, Garner. I just think that the fewer rules we have, the better chance we will be able to follow them. :roll:

Rincewind, I hope your stay in Wales was good, if someone yelled at me at work and didn't own the place I would go to the owner and get clarifacation as to the yellers right to yell at me. If it was allowed I would get a different job. If it was the owner I would get a different job.

We did get a different board, we don't have to have anything to do with the persons who are taking bets as to whether this community fails or lives. This could include not making references to the other board or who or what is posted there in our community rules. It just isn't important enough to me to get all bent out of shape if someone gets the yen to reply to one of the discussions over there. There is damned little of interest anyway on the old boards, I doubt many of us would want to get that involved with it.

I have been checking the old place, but less and less, I was curious to see if the trolls could manage to make something out of the place. So far, they haven't been able to get very far off the subject of Garner. Apparently they keep pretty close tabs here, I don't know how much time they have left to devote to building their new community, it can't be much.

On the other hand, if I did see an interesting conversation when I am visiting the old place I would like to know it wouldn't cost me my Unseen Board friendships to post a . Bottom line for me, I don't want to be told I can't talk to someone.

I agree that arguing with trolls (on the old Board, or elsewhere) is a total waste of time and braincells. I wouldn't do it, and wouldn't recommend it to anyone else. Still, I won't vote for making it a capital offense unless I know for a fact that doing so will bring harm onto this Board.

I mean, if someone tries to pull a Juggercide here, his/her account can be deleted, right? At the same time, we've let our new URL be widely known to the old Board members. If they want to find us, they will. Ditto for new trolls, unidentified with the old Board. They will come eventually. We're not immune, unless we put an iron wall around ourselves, and that would be just as bad as letting trolls in.

(I can just see Mal saying: "Well, if you're so keen on letting trolls in, YOU clean up after them!" :p )

My reason for ambivalence is pretty much the same as Tamyra's - I'd rather reserve the hardcore, do-it-and-be-damned commandments for serious offenses. I don't want to help make this place Draconian. I think it's plenty enough that people know they can have their accounts deleted at will, to keep the potential trolls in line.

(again, if Mal says "Well, then I'll spend my time doing nothing but deleting trolls's accounts!", I'll probably reconsider)

And, since Harper Collins is still advertising the old Site as THE Place to go to for Terry Pratchett conversations, I'm holding out hope that it will shape up someday. The old trolls will eventually get sick of themselves, provided no one feeds them (and if they do, they'll have the guilt of allowing the old Board to fester in its trollishness hanging over them).

As of now, this would have been my response to people who talk to trolls on the Old Board:
- you won't be tossed out for doing this, but please keep in mind that by keeping those idiots entertained, you're giving them an excuse to hang around and stink the place up.

I don't think anybody is saying we can't post on other message boards, or even the HP message board in the future; it's more of a case of being upset that anyone from this community that belonged to the old one would want to even speak to the people that caused us so much upset in the first place. I don't think we're talking about banning people for posting there, but it does make it awkward to be friends with people who are being openly friendly to self-delclared enemies, who are the only people that are still there at the moment. I don't think anyone would object to posting there in the future if a whole new community sprung up on the HC board, but why would you want to post there now? The people there are idiots, morons, pathetic and downright nasty - if you weren't sure how stupid they were before we left, if you thought that maybe they were intelligent and using the spamming to get a point across, you can't be in any doubt as to just how stupid they are when you look at their conversations now. They're lucky if they can string two sentences together, their new book topics read like a review by a six year old; it's insulting that anyone from here would want to speak to them, not something that is one of our laws.

One thing I wish [i:9ff21ee98d]was[/i:9ff21ee98d] one of our laws is to NOT keep singling Garner out as the potagonist in these things; he didn't come up with this idea, lots of people did - in fact I think it was probably Electric Man that came up with the idea of moving all or nothing for the first time over a month ago - but it doesn't matter who it was if the majority of us agree to it, it just makes sense not to want to upset everyone that you are supposed to be friends with, not because you think you might get banned but because it's common sense and decency to behave in that way.

[quote:451443682b="Buzzfloyd"]Until such time as an alternative community (not consisting of trolls) develops on the Harper Collins board, that board is the old board of [i:451443682b]this[/i:451443682b] community. Talking to the people there means talking to trolls, and it is just the same as if you got friendly with trolls on this board.[/quote:451443682b]
I thought I'd quote what I said before in response to Tamyra and Mowgli.

No one is saying that you can't talk to people who are worth talking to (in fact, at the moment, no one is telling you to do or not to do anything at all). But a new community has [b:451443682b]not yet developed[/b:451443682b] at the old site. When such a community [i:451443682b]does[/i:451443682b] develop, I agree that it would be worth revisiting this, as implied in my above post.

Until then, you would be agreeing not to encourage trolls on that board just as if it were still this board. We are still the same community, and until such time as a new community develops there, the old board is still an extension of [i:451443682b]this[/i:451443682b] community - like a warehouse containing all our old stuff and all the rats who gnaw at our stuff and spread nasty diseases.

What is being suggested is that you don't go into the warehouse, or at least, if you do go there, don't play with the rats. When the warehouse gets converted into luxury flats for yuppies, and Wayne and Barbara move in to the penthouse suite, by all means go and hang out with Wayne and Barbara if you want to. Of course, there will probably still be rats in the basement.

[quote="Buzzfloyd"][quote:53f7fdbaa0="Buzzfloyd"]
What is being suggested is that you don't go into the warehouse, or at least, if you do go there, don't play with the rats. When the warehouse gets converted into luxury flats for yuppies, and Wayne and Barbara move in to the penthouse suite, by all means go and hang out with Wayne and Barbara if you want to. Of course, there will probably still be rats in the basement.[/quote:53f7fdbaa0]

Sounds good to me

[quote:b9688bf775="Maljonic"]I don't think anybody is saying we can't post on other message boards, or even the HP message board in the future; it's more of a case of being upset that anyone from this community that belonged to the old one would want to even speak to the people that caused us so much upset in the first place. [b:b9688bf775]I don't think we're talking about banning people for posting there,[/b:b9688bf775]. (my bold - Pixel)...............[/quote:b9688bf775]
Sorry, Mal, but I think we are - I have been tempted to post replies to some of the continuing attacks on us "Evil Ones" (I am assuming that the term applies to all of us who are so brainwashed and browbeaten that we willingly follow the Tripod to this place that doesn't have all those nice built in mod cons like trolls who can't be blocked and spam that can't be deleted) but all this does is keep the fight going, so that is a good reason to stop posting and treat the denizens (I like that word - it has a certain sinister sound) of the HC board with contemptuous disdain.
The only other reason that people might want to post on the old board is that they actually like talking to the dastards over there (and "dastards" is not a typo - one can be born a bastard, but to be a dastard, one has to work at it) and if that is the case, why would we want them here?

Edit - corrected "should" to "would"

Hang on hang on hang on...

We're voting on making this a rule, yes, but we need to take things carefully. So far, there's five people in favor of implementing this rule for everyone one against it.

That's a pretty damn good majority by any sandard. 80% of the vote so far.

I think we can take this as sufficient data, really, but I'm content to let it go on for another few days.

The NEXT step will be to talk about what sort of rule should come from it. that's going to be the tricky one. Is this a "warnable" offense?

I think so.

Now, we don't need to 'troll' over there to rile those guys up. they're obessing about us enough (no posts for 24 hours on the old site, and they say WE'RE going to implode? well done, mr irony!) as it is. ANY posts on that site will encourage them. HOWEVER, any posts on this site will encourage them as well. we're not dealing with rational people. They bump to get rid of us, they bump to keep newbies... they're GOOD at bumping.

but I digress. We should leave them to bump each other. We should not post there. The community made a decision to move. The community has made a decision not to go back until such a time as a new culture might grow out of the ashes of our old one. [b:6ededa0690]I would like to say that we need to consider what type of community might grow up there[/b:6ededa0690] before we consider going back to say hello in the future, but we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

Given that we've made these two decisions as a community, we need to ask how serrious a flaunting of those decisions will be.

I'd say it warrants a simple "Please don't post there again, or stop posting on ours." If they insist on posting on both, i think that has to be taken as a bit of an insult. If they stop posting over there, then I wouldn't say this is a 'strike'.

banning someone should only ever enter into it if they take a militant opposition to the community and its decisions.

I think we should also ban anyone who goes there to deliberately wind up them, or to put it another way, if they troll the trolls.

Any trollish behaviour, on whatever site against whoever is still trolling, and as such should be frowned upon. Besides, if they troll on one site, it means they are equally capable of trolling ours.

Perhaps, but I wish we could ease up on talk of banning for the time being - this thread isn't about banning people, or even about trolling really. Just on whether or not we mind if our friends go back and post on the old boards that we left, and how we should react to it if they do.