[quote:32881cf55a="Rincewind"]Pfft! I suggested moving threads to the dungoen and lock them a whole mintue before garner![/quote:32881cf55a]
Sorry Rincewind, you're right. Apopopologgies!

I would say the first person to suggest task X should be the one to perform it when it gets seconded. However, this might lead to delays.

Like I said in the other thread, 24 hours for moving a thread is ridiculous, 30 minutes for banning equally so. (Paraphrased)
There needs to be a set of rules for the mods so people can complain if a mod goes "beyond the call of duty" in a bad way.

edit: to add quote (Damn next page)

_Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak._

and there needs to be rules so a mod can do their job without being brought up for it by someone else.

"If I wanted to read Wuthering Heights, I'd shoot my self."

What we need to do is start actually making these rules.

[quote:8be4375241="Garner"]and there needs to be rules so a mod can do their job without being brought up for it by someone else.[/quote:8be4375241]

Right, sorry forgot to mention that, but yes, those rules for the mods are there to protect the mods also.
As a normal member you have the right to complain, but if it's covered in the mod-rules you set yourself up for ridicule. (And thundersporking/stabbing)

_Light moves faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright, until you hear them speak._

[quote:9dacaf6064="Garner"]well, i mean, okay we know ben's a reactionary who doesn't want us to do ANYTHING, but he's a valued member of the community and thus we need to listen to his concerns... [/quote:9dacaf6064]

Yes, listen to me, apart from the times when I say "I agree" seemingly

Right, snarky comment down, I feel I'm owned at least one

[quote:9dacaf6064="Garner"]you've seen that he felt waiting two hours was insufficient time on a simple decision like moving a thread. I think that's ridiculous, and anything short of deleting a post CAN be undone, but i think we need to answer the question of how much time should a simple maintainance matter require before we can act on it?

i mean, personally, if Toast were to start a thread on her artwork and someone else inadvertently turns it into a thread on the outcome of taking dates to museums, i could understand if toast wanted it unhijacked. once upon a time we'd just say "oy, let's keep this on topic", but now appearantly we're supposed to faff around with splitting threads, moving them, and god knows what all else... SO, if the toastling were to say "I'd like my thread kept pure please, can we split this" and other people (or even just person) says "yeah, that suits. sorry about the hijack", then a moderator can come along and do this bananana thing, whatever it is.

And then Ben can complain because we didn't wait until it had been sent out, querried, sent back, signed in triplicate, and eventualyl given over to the Vogons for PROPER delay and deliberation.

*shrug*[/quote:9dacaf6064]

I'm not the first person to say this by no means, but we need to sit down and thrash out rules, policy and everything. This should not be rushed.

After this is all sorted out, and there's a policy saying that someone asks to move a thread, then someone agrees and it's done, then fair enough, feel the speed. There was no policy at that point in time, it was basically being made it up as we go along.

I'm sure we have enough Message Board experience on here to cover pretty much everything that could happen, so it's not like we're being chucked into the unknown.

Making this board a place a good place to live (online) is worth a few weeks of debating that allows everyone to join in, and it's not like anything is going to be the ruin of us if a thread isn't moved or stickied in the meantime. We lived without that on the old board didn't we?

The only thing that would affect us if we did nothing is a blatant jug-style troll attack, but we decided that that and spam would be deleted months ago.

It's not about taking the time to get it right each and everytime, it's about taking the time now to get it right.

(Playing blind Pictionary, me drawing)
Ella: Is it a giraffe?
Me (stops drawing): No
Ella: Star Trek?
Me: Yes!

I agree ben. We gotta take the time to do it properly now.

Yes.

I'd also like to say that once the exact powers of a mod have been put in place, then we need to give them freedom to operate.

Basically, the mods are mods cause they have the backing of the community, and should be able to make judgement calls if and when required.

I'm not saying carte blanche, but freedom to do things like, moving threads or making a sticky without having to have a public debate on it isn't too much of a hassle.

Why are pirates called pirates?

Yes, we don't want to have little why did he move my thread arguements hi-jacking all over the board.

I also suggest that we have a 'mod Objections' sticky in the temple. If people have a problem with a mods action they raise it there, not in the thread in question. Thus, we can keep bauerocratic(sp?) arguements in once place.

One thing to point out...

Do you know how the old boards established their policies? I know a lot of people here just came into the place after the rules were set up.

They were set up by simply doing things and if they worked, keep doing them. if they didn't, stop doing them.

I think sticking and moving threads can be done without deliberation because they are minor things and can be undone very easily.

Banning problem posters, deciding board policy, and actually purposefully establishing new rules will require time, deliberation, and careful thought.

don't lose perspective simply because things are "new".

"If I wanted to read Wuthering Heights, I'd shoot my self."