Who would win?

I say Bear cuase they got more strength and claws. But my flatemate was Gorilla's cuase they're more agile.

What say you?



edit: spelling

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The bear. Gorillas really aren't made for killing. They're not predators. Bears are. They're built to kill other animals. A gorilla is more agile, but has little in the way of natural weaponry. It doesn't have the strength or the weight of a bear. A bear could break the gorilla's back with one swing, depending on the species.

Depends on the kind of bear. If it were a grizzly, it would win hands down over a gorilla any day. Grizzlies can be up to 7ft tall and weigh in at anything up to 700lbs with 4 inch claws.

Although a gorilla could certainly emulate a certain wizard and run away sharpish at the first sign of conflict

I think it depends what kind of bear.

I think also that gorillas are intelligent and known to use complex thought processes to achieve their ends, as humans do, so maybe the gorilla would win by intelligence.

Mrs G
The Garner who cares.

Erm, if a gorrila's thought proccess resembles that of a human being in any way, then I'd say that's one dead gorilla. Many a man met an untimely end merely because he considered all the options he had available at the moment.

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Being intelligent doesn't have to mean considering all the options - it can mean instantly seeing the one option that gives you a way out, which a less intelligent creature might not have seen.

Mrs G
The Garner who cares.

Ah, but being intelligent means losing quite a bit of instinct. Sometimes instinct is the way to go.

Anticipate charity by preventing poverty. - Rabbi Moshe ben-Maimon

Nonsense! A truly intelligent person understands and uses their instincts. It's stupid to ignore them. They don't just disappear with the gaining of intelligence either. You've been reading too many justifications of the difference between Int and Wis stats in D&D.

Mrs G
The Garner who cares.

That's quite possible.

Anticipate charity by preventing poverty. - Rabbi Moshe ben-Maimon

Mrs G
The Garner who cares.

Bear wins, I think.

My flatemate (pro-rilla) says it's down to who gets the first blow (which he thinks the agile gorzilla will get) apparantly they can crush the skull of a leopard with one blow. He says that once the gorzilla gets one blow it won't let up, so the bear won't know what hit it.

Hmm been thinking about this over lunch (yeah it's that time over here) and actually I agree with Buzzfloyd here.

There are many instances in the human world where a mighty opponent has been beaten by the skill, intelligence and agility of a much less "powerful" opponent. For example guerrilla (no pun intended!) warfare in jungles or mountains where local knowledge and survival skills have allowed a small band of people to slowly pick off the members of the larger, more powerfully armed group until that group is forced to withdraw.

Damn I going wayyyy off topic here (so please don't flame me on the human thingy!) Bottom line is I can see circumstances where the gorilla would win by using its intelligence.

(edited because I'm an apostrophe Nazi and committed a cardinal sin)

I think they are damned either way, no doubt they will both get some type of infury

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